Aging with Pride with Mary Anne Adams

Show Notes

As we observe pride, a time when LGBTQ+ plus folks celebrate their enduring fight for liberation, we must recognize the communities that strengthen this movement. Zami Nobla is one of those groups. Founded by Mary Anne Adams, a Metro Atlanta community activist, social worker, and public health researcher, Zami Nobla aims to increase opportunities for networking and social support and to explore the healthcare needs and coping strategies of Black lesbian older adults.

Episode Transcript

Matt Thompson: 

Welcome to This Is Growing Old, the podcast all about the common human experience of aging. My name is Matt Thompson and I’ll be your host. This episode is all about the power of community. As we observe pride, a time when LGBTQ+ plus folks celebrate their enduring fight for liberation, we must recognize the communities that strengthen this movement. Zami Nobla is one of those groups. Founded by Mary Anne Adams, a Metro Atlanta community activist, social worker, and public health researcher, Zami Nobla aims to increase opportunities for networking and social support and to explore the healthcare needs and coping strategies of Black lesbian older adults. Today we’re joined by the founder herself to discuss Zami Nobla’s incredible work. Mary Anne, thank you so much for joining us. 

Mary Anne Adams: 

Thank you so much for inviting me. I’m always happy to talk about elders of any stripes, so thank you so much, Matt. I’m happy to be here. 

Matt Thompson: 

Wonderful. So let’s jump right in. Pride began with a bang. On this day, June 28th, 1969, the Stonewall Uprising took place in Greenwich, New York, catalyzing a global gay rights movement. As an advocate for older Black women in the LGBTQIA community and someone who has witnessed this movement evolve, why is it so important to amplify the lived experiences of Black queer elders? 

Mary Anne Adams: 

By amplifying the voices of Black LGBTQIA elders, we not only honor their contributions to the movement, but we also enrich our collective understanding of LGBTQIA herstory and the ongoing fight for justice and equality. To paraphrase of famous writer Alice Walker, she said, “To amplify the voices and lived experiences of ancestors and elders, we amplify them because it’s an easy thing to forget that we are not the first to suffer, rebel, fight, love, and die.” 

And I also think that there’s a generational perspective that we need to bring in here. In June of 1969, I was a 14-year-old Black girl child growing up in North Mississippi and searching for my identity, searching for some kind of representation. Had I been able to find and read a story from a Black LGBTQ elder like Marsha P. Johnson and Stormé who were instrumental in Stonewall, that would’ve been so affirming and empowering for me. And so it’s important to hear these stories, because they provide these invaluable insights, I think, into resistance and struggle. And you can’t be what you cannot see. 

And I think also, Matt, I want to uplift the fact that oftentimes elders of color, those who are Black or Latinx or Asian or native, are often erased, they’re forgotten in terms of the important contributions that they made to the movement. Many of us believe that the LGBTQ movement started with ACT UP and the HIV/AIDS movement, and we certainly know that that’s far from the truth. And that’s why I have so much respect for historians and archivists and just storytellers because they reclaim those stories and they give us the rich history and they continue to make sure that these folks are represented and that they’re not forgotten in herstory and history. 

Matt Thompson: 

Absolutely. I immediately think about how Marsha P. Johnson was the first to throw the punch in the Stonewall uprising so it’s critical that we keep voices like Marsha’s alive. And so Zami Nobla was founded in part to increase opportunities for networking and social support, and to address the healthcare needs and coping strategies of Black lesbians. Can you tell us more about the role that community plays in the Black lesbian aging experience? 

…it’s important to highlight the fact that communities can foster resilience and empowerment because we can share strategies and experiences and stories for dealing with challenges that come with aging as Black lesbians or as LGBTQ folk.

Mary Anne Adams: 

As the only organization in the country expressively building power for Black lesbian elders, community is extremely significant because we know that aging as a natural process involves many challenges, such as changes in social roles, possible loss of independence, and for some people there may be health issues. And so these challenges can be particularly difficult for Black lesbians due to the intersection of ageism and sexism and homophobia. 

And so community can play several roles in navigating these complexities. One is social support. We have quite a few LGBTQ elders who are estranged from family, who live alone, who are quite frankly, Matt, poor. They’re not working class. We have many elders and there’s a lot of shame and stigma around the fact that they have that economic insufficiency. And so these are very common issues and they can really be magnified by the oppression and the discrimination and the lack of understanding from a larger society. So a strong community can really help to alleviate these feelings by providing a sense of belonging and acceptance. 

And then you have the healthcare advocacy and navigation. We have, luckily, a group of young and older community members who are very eager to help those who are in need to navigate these processes. We have quite a few folk who are reticent to seek out healthcare because of the experiences that they’ve had due to their race and their age and their sexual orientation. And so making them feel welcome, having people to go with them to navigate and advocate for them, I think is extremely important in terms of community. 

And then we also have the cultural competency, or as I like to say, cultural humility, to be able to be in a space where you don’t have to explain your language or your expression and you can freely express yourself and your identities. That cultural competency involves understanding and addressing these unique experiences and needs of Black lesbians. And so it really makes the aging process less alienating and more enriching, I think. 

Community also helps with empowerment and resilience. I’m not one to use resilience a lot because it can be fairly loaded. We do know there’s this stereotype of the strong Black woman, and I think sometimes using the term resilience without really unpacking that can certainly add to that trope. And so I use it very sparingly. But I do think that in this particular context, it’s important to highlight the fact that communities can foster resilience and empowerment because we can share strategies and experiences and stories for dealing with challenges that come with aging as Black lesbians or as LGBTQ folk. And so I think the shared resilience can serve to strengthen the community bonds and improve your mental and emotional wellbeing. 

Communities, one of the things that Zami Nobla really is very intentional about is providing education and awareness and information about the strengths because we really do need to uplift the strengths of aging LGBTQ elders. And I think by sharing the strengths and the knowledge, we can help to challenge these stereotypes and promote greater understanding and acceptance. So organizations like Zami Nobla, other organizations that deal with marginalized populations, there’s an organization here in Atlanta called Thrive SS that is developing and pushing out programs for Black elder gay men. There’s a group called Transforming, Transforming is a group for Black trans men and non-binary folk. They are increasingly partnering with Zami Nobla to develop programs for elders, and there’s also Trans Housing Atlanta that’s doing the same thing. And so there’s some traction in terms of making sure that our LGBTQ elders are seen, they’re heard, and they’re respected, and they’re able to age with dignity. 

Matt Thompson: 

That’s amazing. And also thank you for putting us on to these other organizations. We’ll be sure to add links in the video when this comes out. 

Mary Anne Adams: 

Yes. 

Matt Thompson: 

That reminds me of the importance of community, especially in this context, I’m sure was exacerbated during the pandemic when of course we all felt isolated, but more so as an older adult, as Black LGBTQIA person during that time must have been incredibly isolating, which made that need for community more important. Which brings me to my next question: the pandemic has put a spotlight on older adult health and long-term care experiences as well as on social isolation. We’ve shared several resources to combat loneliness as we age. How has isolation in the wake of COVID-19 impacted the community and what is Zami Nobla doing to combat this issue? 

Mary Anne Adams: 

Thank you for that question. It’s really a very important question, and it’s something that we don’t often talk about, particularly now that many feel like the pandemic is totally gone. And we do know that there are residuals that a lot of people are still dealing with the impacts of COVID-19. Zami Nobla is one of the few grassroots LGBTQ organizations that is able to collect our own primary research, and we are able to do that in partnership with Dr. Tonia Poteat, who is a Black queer lesbian, she identifies as both, renowned public health researcher who’s at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. And prior to that, she was at Johns Hopkins. 

And I would say probably around maybe March, I reached out to her and we had a conversation about COVID and the impacts on our community. And I believe, Matt, that everyone has a story and that it’s incumbent upon us to tell our own stories because if we don’t, someone else will. And I said to Tonia that we need to collect data around our experiences during COVID. At that point, people were scrambling for answers, folks were confused, in the dark, scared, just not knowing what was going to happen. And so as a result of that conversation, we developed a research project called The Pandemic Needs of Older Sexual Minority Women. From July, 2020 through December, 2020, we convened 14 focus groups over Zoom, and we were able to get the stories of Black lesbian elders from around the country, 100 of them as a matter of fact, ages 50 through 88. And this provided a platform and an opportunity for these women to really talk about their experiences, their fears, just resiliency, strengths, weaknesses, all of that. 

After we completed that qualitative portion of the research project, we went online with a survey that was open to any lesbian elder over the age of 50, and that it was inclusive of Black, Latinx, Native, White. And after that, we conducted 20 semi-structured interviews with Black lesbians over the age of 50. So we have a pretty sizeable sample size, and I am very proud of that work. We’re continuing to do the analysis. We just submitted a paper on caregiving, that’s the first thing because a lot of Black lesbian elders, this lesbian elders writ large were engaged in caregiving during COVID. 

There was a lot of mutual aid going on. We were taking care of each other. We were doing the best that we could, certainly knowing that we had loved ones who were in facilities and the facilities were trying to keep them safe, but as a result of trying to keep them safe, we know they were isolated, they couldn’t really have physical touch or contact with their loved ones. And that included partners of lesbian elders who were in these facilities. So it’s very difficult and a very emotional and mentally draining time. 

We also had a lot of online programming. We had women who reached out who said to us, “Mary Anne, we want to laugh. We want to be in community. Even if it’s virtual, what can Zami Nobla do?” So what we did, Matt, was we got pretty creative and innovative. We have a comedian, Karen Williams, who was the first Blackout comic in this country who came onto Zoom, and she presented a comedy show. And this was open to any Black, any lesbian, it didn’t matter the race or ethnicity. So it was a very diverse group of women because while Zami Nobla centers Black lesbian elders, most of our program is open to any LGBTQ person over the age of 18, and particularly for any lesbian elder. And so we have very, very diverse audiences. So Karen made us laugh, we were in community with each other. 

We also had an art and tea online show. We have members who were artists and they were able to exhibit their work, and we were able to drink tea at the same time. We also had, we have a member who was 78 who was a blues singer and so they came on, we had a New Year’s Eve party for everybody where she performed. We also had a cocktail tasting, one of our members owns a restaurant so we were able to do that for folk who do that. 

And so we also, in addition to that, just had a kitchen table talks on Friday nights where we could just talk about what we were feeling, talked about the uncertainty of COVID, talked about vaccines and what that would look like, talked about our frustration and not being able to hold each other, not being able to date, just all of those concerns. So because we were able to do that, people felt less isolated, they felt less lonely, they felt connected, even if it was virtual, to a community of women who understood what they were going through on so many levels. 

Matt Thompson: 

So not only were you extremely busy during this time, community building, using that community as a vessel to create action, but also what I think is under discussed is the sense of togetherness that you’re nurturing with Zami Nobla and creating a space that allows people to feel safe in vulnerability. I know that we talked about resilience, but I think that is a major component, being able to be vulnerable around people who understand your lived experience and can listen to you and empathize. 

Mary Anne Adams: 

Absolutely. And I also want to make sure that I let our audience know that we are very much an organization that believes in giving back. We have a project called the Chris Ducusin Advocacy Collective, and it was named after one of our members who passed in 2020 at the age of 95 who was very much an advocate, who was very much an activist. And during from 2020 through the last year, we worked with our local governments trying to increase the census count. We were all text banking together during the election cycle, trying to get people to go out and vote. 

So that’s very much a part of who we are, the whole advocacy piece, the whole policy piece. The Williams Institute at UCLA has estimated that there’re about 2.7 million LGBTQ elders over the age of 50 and we know that that number is increasing. And so it’s important to us that we are counted, that we are visible, that we are represented, and so we are doing everything we can to make sure that we get out and vote, that we make sure that we do what we can to help others do that as well. 

Matt Thompson: 

That’s amazing, thank you. So we’re on the back end of Pride Month. I think for people on the outside, Pride is very youth-centric and youth-centered from the celebrations, the culture. I wonder, as an elder, what does celebrating pride look like in such a youth-centric culture? 

Visibility is a statement, you need to see our presence. It’s an awesome opportunity to show solidarity and support in the wider community.

Mary Anne Adams: 

I started Zami Nobla in 2011 because I noticed that a lot of Black lesbian elders over 50 were disappearing from the Atlanta scene. This city is very much youth-oriented. I believe in my experience that we see more, in terms of visibility certainly, what people tend to see are younger LGBT Q individuals out and about, although we know that there are many of us who certainly are vibrant, we are very much active, we’re alive, and we are here. And so it was important that we really impact social isolation, which brings me to Pride as an elder. 

And celebrating Pride as an elder can take on many forms. I tell people all the time that activism does not have to look one particular way. It’s not always boots on the ground. It’s doing the things that I just mentioned, it’s making phone calls, it’s supporting people financially, it’s making sure that people have rides to Pride events, it’s telling your story, it’s talking about sharing the story of how we’ve lived through these different iterations of Pride. And it’s empowering, I think, for younger members of the community who might be struggling still with their identities and facing oppression. And you can celebrate Pride at community gatherings, you can have your own party at your own house. It does not necessarily mean going out to the Pride events in the heat. 

And in many ways, Matt, they’re not accessible for people who might have accessibility issues in terms of mobility, or it may not be accessible for people who have disabilities. And so we need to do a better job in making sure that these pride events across the country are embracing folk of different disabilities. And that’s something that we’re continuing to advocate for, both not just elders, but young people are very much aware of these issues and they’re fighting for those as well, because I think it would allow more people to who actually want to go out and experience these events to be able to do that. 

And the other thing that I think that it is important for folks to participate in Pride events, who are elders, who can do that, who want to do that, join these pride parades, join these festivals. Visibility is a statement, you need to see our presence. It’s an awesome opportunity to show solidarity and support in the wider community. And lately in Atlanta, ARP is making sure that they have specific spaces for older attendees. They’re able to rent a space that has air conditioning and everybody goes there, not just young people, everybody’s clamoring to get into ARP’s space during Pride. They have food available, they have accessibility spaces close to the pride events where people can park and access during the Pride event where the parades are taking place. They have shaded spaces for people. And so those are very affirming and empowering and appreciated, and it’s a model for other Pride events across the country to really, I think, take a page out of ARP’s book. I’m not suggesting that ARP is the only organization that is doing this, I’m just saying that it is one model and it’s a model that we certainly appreciate. 

And I think it’s also important for people who are not cognizant of older LGBTQ attendees to create space for us to seek out older individuals, ask us to serve on your panels, ask us to be in your social events, ask us to be in your meetups during pride. Ask us to tell our stories, have intergenerational storytelling during Pride. We know that this community has evolved significantly over the years, and we still have a long way to go. We still have people who are afraid to be seen during pride, who are afraid to be visible and rightfully so. We still have people, Matt, who are 60, 70 years old who are continuing to come out of the closet. What are they coming out into? So we want to have these welcoming spaces. 

And I was a grand marshal at a Pride parade, and I was reluctant to do that, actually play that role. And I was asked to do it for a number of years. When I finally said yes, I was really happy I did, because there were a lot of people standing along the root line. And when they saw me, because there were very few Black pride marshals at that time, when they saw me, they were surprised, and they were happy, and I was happy that I did that for that reason. So it’s not about the parades and the rainbow flags necessarily, but it’s really about acknowledging our struggle for human rights, the journey of self-acceptance, and just the joy of being true to ourselves and the importance of community. 

Matt Thompson: 

For sure. And I think you make a great point that Pride does not only exist in the streets or at the parades and that everyone celebrates in different ways, but it’s also important that a safe space is created for all folks at these events. Super important for everyone to be visible for these events as well. So your passion for this is palpable, it’s obvious. The next question I feel has already been answered indirectly, but I’ll ask it anyway. What do you love most about being a Black lesbian elder? 

What do I love most? The fact that I have survived.

Mary Anne Adams: 

What do I love most? The fact that I have survived. As my shero Audrey Lord said, “We were never meant to survive and community is liberation.” I appreciate the fact that I have a political perspective, a framework that allows me to continue to open myself up to learning, to new ideas, to new perspectives, to have a willingness to engage new spaces and new people. I love the fact that I have been able to amass certain skillsets that allow me to pass on what I’ve learned that allows me to be able to give back because really, Matt, why else are we on this planet but to help one another? I believe that that’s the only reason we are here. 

And so the fact that I am able to be cognitively relatively impact, the fact that I am able to have a platform in the form of Zami Nobla, and to be able to create partnerships with other organizations, not just those that are LGBTQ, but also allies to continue this work, to create a legacy is really important. Our organization is very archival minded, and so the fact that we are able to amass materials and documents and stories, to preserve those, to leave those behind so that people know 100, 200, 300 years from now, we were here, Matt, and not only were we here, but we did our work to the best of our ability. And then when we got sick and tired of being sick and tired, that we mobilized as a community and we tried to resist and to serve as a voice for those who were not able to be visible and to be out and to do this work in the forefront. 

And so I’m full of joy to be able to talk to you, a brother who is interested in our story. That’s important to me. It’s important that we are able to continue to lean on one another and to help one another and to continue to love each other and to just spread the word about elders. And I challenge you, and I challenge those who are younger as well as older, look at your circle, who’s in it? Particularly when it comes to age. If you don’t have anybody in your circle who’s older than you, then you might want to go out and just say, “Hey, can we have some tea? What’s your name? I want to get to know you because Mary Anne Adams challenged me to do that.” 

Matt Thompson: 

Absolutely. I think next time I’m in Atlanta, we need to get tea, it’s settled. 

Mary Anne Adams: 

Yes, yes, I’m a tea snob. We absolutely do. Only loose-leaf teas definitely. 

Matt Thompson: 

Okay, cool. Because I need sugar, just dump it in. 

Mary Anne Adams: 

Yeah, definitely, definitely. No problem with that. 

Matt Thompson: 

So for our viewers who are listening or watching on YouTube, can you share a little bit on how folks can support the Zami Nobla mission? 

Mary Anne Adams: 

Absolutely. I’m always happy to talk about Zami Nobla, the National Organization of Black Lesbians on Aging. So we center Black lesbians over the age of 40, advocacy service and community engaged research. And There are many ways that you can support the mission of Zami Nobla. One by educating yourself, learn about the issues and the challenges faced by marginalized communities, and particularly those organizations that are supported by Zami Nobla. You can go to our website, www.zaminobla.org and find out more about us. And I think understanding the struggles and experiences of Black lesbian elders and LGBTQ elders particularly can offer support to us. I think it’s an essential first step in supporting our cause. 

You can spread awareness, you can use your platforms and your voice to raise awareness about the mission and activities of Zami Nobla. You can share information and stories and resources on social media and websites and blogs and other relevant platforms such as this podcast today, Matt, thank you so much again for having us. You can volunteer. Zami Nobla is always in need of volunteers. We do a lot of programming, but really we’re like the little engine that could, we have very limited capacity. We do what we do because we have the skillset to do it, and there’s such a tremendous need, but we are always in need of volunteers. And so you can reach out to any organization, not just Zami Nobla, but about any volunteering opportunities available, whether it’s assisting with fundraising events, programming, or providing professional services. 

And very importantly, you can donate financial contributions can aid Zami Nobla in our efforts significantly. There is a program called Give Out Day that is hosted by the Horizon organization that’s based in San Francisco. And Give Out Day happens every year online, it’s the only online platform for LGBTQ nonprofits in the country. And because this is Pride Month, Give Out Day is happening every day this month. And Give Out Day is really predicated on unique donors. It’s not how much money you raise, it’s how many donors you can mobilize. And they have these leaderboards. And so I think last year, Give Out Day raised about $1.3 million for nonprofit LGBTQ organizations. And so June 28th is the day though, even though you can give out, so June 28th, you’re going to see a lot of activity on social media, on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, people are going to be raising money and you start at $10. So folks can really help these organizations and certainly Zami Nobla get to the top of the leaderboard. 

And the other thing that people can do is that they can certainly support our advocacy campaigns. Help us to get the vote out. Starting next month, Matt, Zami Nobla is partnering with an organization called Necessary Trouble, and we are going to be going to senior facilities in Metro Atlanta in the different counties. We’re going to be going to four counties, Cobb, Fulton, DeKalb, and Gwinnett… No, we’re not going, we’re going to three counties, DeKalb, Fulton, and Gwinnett. We’re going to be going to senior facilities and educating elders there about the changes in the voting laws. Are we going to be educating them about who’s running for public service commission. Certainly this is nonpartisan because we’re 501C3 nonprofits. 

We’re going to be providing education, information. We’re going to take food, we’re going to have games, we’re going to have a short PowerPoint presentation. That’s our work to do. And we take it very seriously and we’re going to do it. We need volunteers for that work. So that’s one way you can help us with these campaigns because we’re going to always be doing advocacy work. We’re going to always be writing letters to our elected officials. We’re going to always be calling them. So please, please, please, we need you to help us with that. 

You can attend our events. We just had a brunch and learn at the National Center for Civil and Human Rights in Partnership with the Pride Study at Stanford University and the LGBTQ Institute at the National Center. We talked about our community-engaged research. We’re always needing LGBTQ folks to participate in our research projects. We need to be candid, our research is biased with us and about us. And so we need to be at the table, we need to be part of these research projects, these research programs, because they’re going to happen without us and so that’s important that you participate. And we need collaboration. If you have expertise, if you have resources, really consider collaborating with Zami Nobla on our projects or initiatives because by pooling our resources and our collective knowledge, we can really work toward promoting equity and advancing the rights of marginalized communities. 

You can advocate for change, you can raise your voices as a advocate for policy changes, legislation, social reforms that really align with our goals and our mission. And again, you can support our partner organizations. Zami Nobla is a member of MALTHA, the Metro Atlanta Lesbian and Trans Housing Alliance. I mentioned earlier, we have two other partners, Transforming and Trans Housing Alliance. We’re trying to leverage our resources to provide more housing for LGBTQ elders, community gardening projects. So there’s always a lot of work to do. So you may be regretting that you asked me that question, Matt, but I can certainly talk about that all day. 

Matt Thompson: 

Oh, no, for sure. I was taking mental notes the entire time. I would absolutely love to signal boost anything that you’re doing with Zami Nobla. Was it Give Out Day you that you mentioned? 

Mary Anne Adams: 

Yes, yes. 

Matt Thompson: 

On June 28th? 

Mary Anne Adams: 

Yes. 

Matt Thompson: 

All right, we’ll keep our eye out for that. And just know we will be the first to be retweeting, re-sharing all of it. 

Mary Anne Adams: 

Yes, please. Definitely, Give Out Days. It’s happening out in the entire month, but you’re going to see a flurry of activities on June 28th. It ends at 11:59 so starting that morning all through the day until 11:59 PM. 

Matt Thompson: 

Okay, for sure. We could talk for hours probably. But due to time limits, I’ll just stick to our last question, which is what we ask all of our guests on This is Growing Old. When you were a kid, what did you imagine growing older would be like? 

Mary Anne Adams: 

I never thought about growing old as a kid. I lived in a town called Freemans Town, it was a Black enclave, and elders were very much revered and respected. And so I was a kid who was a bookworm, and I was pretty much fixated on place and geography, place in that I was trying to get out of Mississippi and trying to fantasize about where I could go. And so that was really, I think, what I thought about. When I did think about age, my experiences in terms of aging were pretty binary. I saw, my grandmother would take me to elders who were sick and shut in, and we would take them food. And I remember the homes being really dark, and there was a sense of dread in terms of going in and fear. There was not joy and happiness and all of that. 

And on the other hand, in terms of the binary, there were elders that we were afraid of who had these reputations for being mean and you couldn’t knock on their door. So there was no middle road for me. I didn’t see these images, these representations of elders who were affirming and empowering and loving. I didn’t see that, and that’s really unfortunate that I did not, but I really didn’t. So I never even imagined growing older, quite frankly. I could certainly answer that question now. At 68, what do I imagine growing older older older like? I think I’m going to live to be probably 100, Matt, because my grandmother lived to be 10 days before his hundredth birthday, and her sister lived to be 90… I have a lot of longevity in my family, pretty much. So I think I’ll be at least a hundred, maybe 125. 

Matt Thompson: 

And I don’t imagine you slowing down anytime soon either, so this will be an active new chapter. 

Mary Anne Adams: 

Actually, I want to slow down. I want to lie on my couch and look at documentaries and read fiction and eat chocolate and drink tea. 

Matt Thompson: 

Don’t we all? 

Mary Anne Adams: 

Yes. No matter the age, we really do. 

Matt Thompson: 

Well, I’m so happy that organizations like Zami Nobla are changing the stigma around what it looks like to grow older and what healthy aging can be. Thank you so much for joining me, Mary Anne, for this conversation. I’m absolutely going to take you up on that tea offer next time I’m in Atlanta. 

For everyone listening, thank you for tuning into This is Growing Old again. If you’re enjoying the show, please subscribe wherever you get your podcast. If you’d like to learn more about Zami Nobla, be sure to visit them at zaminobla.org, that is Z-A-M-I N-O-B-L-A.org. Have a wonderful day and happy Pride.